tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post787175957417869268..comments2023-12-21T22:03:18.964-08:00Comments on Sound and fury, signifying nothing: Questions for CatholicsDade Cariagahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13431049944346345893noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-27488307907600096842011-05-06T12:45:36.184-07:002011-05-06T12:45:36.184-07:00Dade,
As I said I am off to Spain ...
Hardly a m...Dade,<br /><br />As I said I am off to Spain ...<br /><br />Hardly a moment to write.<br /><br />But the intelligence of your search and your articulation of it is striking me ,,,<br /><br />Yes this is very interesting that you are as you say "asking"<br /><br />I am a convert who was very suspicious of institutionalised religion for decades, not to mention highly centralised ones.<br /><br />A Catholic book called Meditations on the Tarot turned my life inside out.<br /><br />There is a lot at my site about this ...<br /><br />If you go to my label Abuse you will find a post On the Crimes of Catholics that may address some of the important questions you are asking.<br /><br />Warmly yours,<br /><br />Roger<br /><br />PS. I guess you will know that favourite author of yours Tolkien was not simply Catholic but very very devout and traditionalist.<br /><br />Like that sage of Oxford, I too am a Catholic Monarchist ...Roger Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10722568291805894518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-76660461113515248182010-04-27T20:34:11.010-07:002010-04-27T20:34:11.010-07:00Anyone who is interested in joining a christian re...Anyone who is interested in joining a christian religion ought to consider this scripture: "You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Matt. 7:16, American King James Version<br /><br />The guy in charge of the Catholic church right now is a former Youth for Hitler, and directly observed the atrocities of the Nazis. Did/said nothing in opposition that is on record. Then there are all those things you've enumerated in your blog entry that would be bad fruit.<br /><br />All Catholics should demand that the priests and any others who have been involved in COVERING UP INSTITUTIONALIZED PEDOPHILIA, all the way up to the pope, resign at once.<br /><br />On the other hand, I can see the attraction to the liturgy and community.<br /><br />I'm sorry; you were asking for Catholics perspectives!<br /><br />Rhonda/ShusliMari Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10245944863761903118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-60038890318379293872010-04-27T12:10:42.796-07:002010-04-27T12:10:42.796-07:00Dade, this is what I think is the issue. You corr...Dade, this is what I think is the issue. You correctly recognize that the Catholic Church adds community, meaning, solace, purpose, ritual and history to people's lives. It takes away the fear of death, it helps people to feel that there is a point, that we are all loved, and there is a foundation upon which to build a life.<br /><br />However, you also recognize that the beliefs upon which the Catholic Church is founded is just bullshit. The basic story of an all-powerful, benevolent god sacrificing a part of himself to himself in order to forgive people is arrant nonsense.<br /><br />My advice would be to do what my other has done over the years which is to go to church when you feel like it. Enjoy being a part of the ritual, and the peace, and the community, and the history, and following a family tradition. That's all possible while knowing, as my mother stated to me, that the "Whole idea is nonsense." My mother derived great satisfaction from the experience. <br /><br />It's quite clear from your own post that there's no shortage of espoused catholics who believe what they want and take what they want from the church.<br /><br />If you have to work at believing something over the course of months and years, then actually what you are doing is lying to yourself.Dan Binmorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09631203781543243534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-67392017242640319892010-04-27T10:04:00.096-07:002010-04-27T10:04:00.096-07:00Dade,
I have an addendum to the statement "pe...Dade,<br />I have an addendum to the statement "pedophiles have penetrated the priesthood", that might serve to shed some light on the subject.<br /><br />As you know, many years ago the Physicians Desk Reference deleted homosexuality as pathology and added a classification for pathologies associated with the effect of societal intolerance of homosexuals. Studies have shown that a majority of those convicted of hate crimes against gays have repressed homosexual urges themselves.<br /><br />I think it's clear that the church's demand for celibacy is at the root of the problem. As a gay man, I know that many young gay men and women experience an enhanced spirituality throughout their lives and entering the priesthood is also a tempting "denial" of their unwanted urges and attractions.<br /><br />I also know from experience that until I accepted myself, the effects of my suppression were showing themselves in various pathologies. Sexuality cannot be suppressed, only transmuted into love for another.<br /><br />So, I say pedophiles are not born they are grown and cultivated by our society; at least with respect to gay pedophiles, which is what the church is having trouble with primarily. (BTW, it is worth mentioning that the vast majority of pedophiles in secular society are hetero's). <br /><br />Many of these people never were able to have boyfriends and girlfriends as adolecents like "normal" people and they never get over it. The feelings they had for their secret lovers were never fulfilled and the imagery of those desires never left.<br /><br />Rick C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-87241844501740602022010-04-27T08:59:45.797-07:002010-04-27T08:59:45.797-07:00Dade,
I came to the Catholic Church over 10 years...Dade,<br /><br />I came to the Catholic Church over 10 years ago after searching for a church and searching for faith. I, like you was called by the tradition and the rituals.<br />I disagree with your statements that the church did this and the church did that. The priests, as humans and sinners have done many things over the centuries. The "Church" is holy and will endure and survive. In reading your letter I believe what you are searching for is in the Catholic Church. I suggest you immerse your self in the church. The Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults or RCIA is where I truly heard the call from God. When my wife and I were dating, she was taking RCIA classes as a lifelong Catholic to learn more about her faith. We would talk about what she learned and I was intrigued and drawn to learn more. Two years later I was baptized and confirmed and my life has not been the same since. <br />The church historically has not been great about education about the details of the faith. Our church here in Klamath, St.Pius X, over the last couple of years has started teaching weekly classes about the catholic faith, now that I have learned more, I believe that if any semi-believer knew the details about the Catholic Church they would join immediately. I urge you to find a church that not only teaches RCIA but that has other educational opportunities, and learn about it. Faith is not easy there will be parts of church doctrine you will question, we all as humans are occasionally tempted as Jesus was, the goal is to be strong enough to resist. Immerse yourself and you will see.<br /><br />Ray HollidayRay Hollidaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-24631718982189789462010-04-26T12:33:54.177-07:002010-04-26T12:33:54.177-07:00Hey Dade, I'll leave the official response for...Hey Dade, I'll leave the official response for a Catholic to respond... but I'd really question the value of being baptized if you don't believe those the tenants of the faith. The reality of baptism is that you are representing an association with Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Per our statement of faith @ SBC:<br />Baptism, first and foremost, is identification with Jesus Christ. It is publicly and openly identifying with this One Who died for my sins and rose again. It is a symbol of the believer’s identification with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. <br />See <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206:3-5&version=NASB" rel="nofollow">Romans 6:3-5</a> for evidence of same.Tim Enoreply@blogger.com