tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post6231511823139202280..comments2023-12-21T22:03:18.964-08:00Comments on Sound and fury, signifying nothing: Faux Christian masochism: Waiting for the dayDade Cariagahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13431049944346345893noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-1753474173094701752009-02-15T11:40:00.000-08:002009-02-15T11:40:00.000-08:00Shus li, thanks for the link- sounds intriguing!Shus li, thanks for the link- sounds intriguing!Michael Ogdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01184741808524643182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-70539448999195825092009-02-15T08:43:00.000-08:002009-02-15T08:43:00.000-08:00Dade,Your opinions on the end of an era are much d...Dade,<BR/><BR/>Your opinions on the end of an era are much different than what I've read here in the past. One does not need to be dismayed by accepting the probability of what awaits this planet. Welcome to Club Doom!<BR/><BR/>Having said that, and at the risk of sounding evangelical, I would like to introduce here a premise proposed by author Derrick Jensen in his tome "endgame I & II". (I have this if you want to borrow.) The premises can be found in full here http://www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/1-Premises.htm <BR/><BR/>For a daily dose of doom, check out the Life After the Oil Crash website. <BR/><BR/>So here's that quote from Jensen:<BR/><BR/>Premise Sixteen: The material world is primary. This does not mean that the spirit does not exist, nor that the material world is all there is. It means that spirit mixes with flesh. It means also that real world actions have real world consequences. It means we cannot rely on Jesus, Santa Claus, the Great Mother, or even the Easter Bunny to get us out of this mess. It means this mess really is a mess, and not just the movement of God’s eyebrows. It means we have to face this mess ourselves. It means that for the time we are here on Earth—whether or not we end up somewhere else after we die, and whether we are condemned or privileged to live here—the Earth is the point. It is primary. It is our home. It is everything. It is silly to think or act or be as though this world is not real and primary. It is silly and pathetic to not live our lives as though our lives are real.Shus lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15542421349158923239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-10284308290868710592009-02-15T05:28:00.000-08:002009-02-15T05:28:00.000-08:00Ooops a quick correction of this sentence:What is ...Ooops a quick correction of this sentence:<BR/><BR/>What is also NOT new is that life seems to defeat the notion that all else is about to fall unless we believe this or that.<BR/><BR/>Peace Dade.<BR/><BR/>RidwanRidwanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758153484699728802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-71914153038793938492009-02-15T05:25:00.000-08:002009-02-15T05:25:00.000-08:00Interesting post Dade. Lots to chew on.I'm with M...Interesting post Dade. Lots to chew on.<BR/><BR/>I'm with Mike when it comes to the role of "fear mongering" and "control".<BR/><BR/>Christians and Muslims of the far right (and others of course) seem to fixate on pressing fear as the reason for living and believing as they do.<BR/><BR/>And I think that now is no different than any other time.<BR/><BR/>The 'saviour complex' with its suffering context is hardly new hey.<BR/><BR/>What is also new is that life seems to defeat the notion that all else is about to fall unless we believe this or that.<BR/><BR/>You are right that we need change brother. We can't live as we do now.<BR/><BR/>But change is more about reason than merely believing. <BR/><BR/>Even this, the tension between between reason and obdurate faith is hardly new.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for writing and making me think Dade!<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>RidwanRidwanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758153484699728802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-119906447472922361.post-72728009662459965062009-02-14T14:05:00.000-08:002009-02-14T14:05:00.000-08:00Dade, since I support neither religion nor either ...Dade, since I support neither religion nor either of the parties, maybe I'm abusing the intent of your message, but your post reminds me that institutions as we know them, both religious and civil, pathetically and repeatedly resort to fear mongering as a primary way to control their subjects.Michael Ogdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01184741808524643182noreply@blogger.com